Can we please stop with the advertising of imVox

[glow]

I don't understand why this is allowed. I see the same few people constantly plugging this voice chat thing everywhere they can. Isn't this against the rules? It's annoying to read in every other thread I see.

If I was trying to shamelessly advertise Razer products in every other post I made (relates to gaming just as much as a voice client), It wouldn't be allowed. So why are certain moderators allowed to get away with it?

[Malel]

1. I don't see whats wrong with it.

2. It's not being spammed in "every other thread".

3. The people who DO post about are moderators of the site, I'm sure they have permission from the admins to do so.

[glow]

1. There's something wrong with it because no one else is allowed to do it except the creators of this software for whatever reason. Why aren't the rest of us allowed to advertise what we want?

2. If you do a search up in the corner for "imvox" you'll see what I mean.

[Malel]

1. Maybe because the imvox supporters/employees got permission from the Admins?

2. You realize that most of the threads that come up are about Homefront, voice chat, and multiplayer nights right? How is this any different than replacing "imvox" with "ventrilo" or "teamspeak" ? And the threads that aren't about those things are completely casual mentions, not advertising.


I'm honestly not sure why it bothers you so much. Do you have an alternative voice chat software you'd like to mention?

[bassrebel]

LOL now you're the one advertising imVOX

[glow]

1. Maybe because the imvox supporters/employees got permission from the Admins?

2. You realize that most of the threads that come up are about Homefront, voice chat, and multiplayer nights right? How is this any different than replacing "imvox" with "ventrilo" or "teamspeak" ? And the threads that aren't about those things are completely casual mentions, not advertising.


I'm honestly not sure why it bothers you so much. Do you have an alternative voice chat software you'd like to mention?

Does this look like a "casual mention" to you? Oh please... Look at his signature too!

http://onlivefans.com/showthread.php?7003-Homefront-today-at-3pm-with-imvox&highlight=imVox

[Warren]

-It's a gaming utility that a lot of us enjoy.
-If people were asking about screen recording software, we'd do (and have done) the same for fraps, xfire, or wegame.
-If people wanted an IM client we'd do the same with Trillian or Raptr.
-It's a good and free alternative to Ventrilo and TeamSpeak that not many people are familiar with.
-It fills a huge void that is currently existing in the OnLive service, that's why it's brought up so much.

Considering how related to OnLive the program is, the answer to your question: No.

Should we stop mentioning xbox360 controllers? That's been brought up a hell of a lot more than imvox has, and it's just an alternative as well. Oh, let's stop advertising Linux, there's plenty other widely used software to use instead!

If you have a gaming related utility that you think we should know about (Razer, for example), by all means, be our guest. I'm always interested to hear a new technology or program that's beneficial to my interests.

(sorry if the tone sounds harsh, isn't intended to be.) ;)

[Malel]

Well said Warren, hopefully that clears things up.

[KicknGuitar]

Just to follow up on Warren's post, the Rules (http://onlivefans.com/announcement.php?f=6) are not being broken here because,


Creating an account for the sole purpose of advertising another website, products, service, etc; posting nonsensical or irrelevant posts/threads in an effort to increase your post count; multiple threads on a topic that has already been recently discussed.
Tibbon has been contributing to the community for quite some time and has contributed to the site in many other ways than imvox. just click his post history.

However if you still feel we are missing something, feel free to organize your thoughts and send an Admin a PM.

[Darq]

The original post was answered beautifully here.

Let me be clear: No permission was granted from the administrative team to advertise for imVOX, because it isn't being advertised. Just as recommending the use of TeamSpeak or Ventrillo wouldn't be considered advertising.

Through a quick review of your recent posts, Glow, it appears that there is a personal disagreement you have with Tibbon concerning some topics. Please don't try and take those personal issues and turn them into some covert attack on another member of the community, moderator or not. :)

[glow]

I don't see what you're referring to as a disagreement. That has nothing to do with it.

However, I'm confused as to how it isn't advertising. Tibbon is a community manager with that company and has done nothing else but promote it. There's a big difference between suggesting it when someone asks for a voice solution, and constantly plugging it, linking to the site, telling people to use it for multiplayer nights, putting it in his sig, etc.

It isn't suggesting, it's promoting. That's my beef with the situation.

EDIT: Here's an example of what I mean


The imvox private beta is ready and right now the OnLiveFans community gets an exclusive. Today, we're playing Homefront with you.

You need .NET Framework 4.0 or greater installed and we have not completed testing with Windows XP. This is freely available from Microsoft at: http://bit.ly/gNL0Co

Download the imvox private beta at: http://bit.ly/fydvkr

Run the Imvox.Client executable in the imvox beta directory (which you can just drag to your desktop).

Please report bugs to support@imvox.com or post them here. We're up for suggestions. Not all features are completed and this is super hot off the press. No Mac version today is ready for public distribution.

This version is a development copy and won't auto-update when we push updates, so keep an eye out for new releases (we will email you and post to the forums when the public beta is released). For reference this is internally known as v73.

At 3pm EST today we will be playing Homefront on OnLive using imvox for the voice chat. Please join in the 'imvox private beta' servers on OnLive/Homefront and the 'Homefront' servers on imvox.

How in the world is this just "suggestion"? He says we get an "exclusive", he tells us where to download it, how to install it, even goes as far to ask for bug reports so we can help him work out problems with the program. It's advertising/promotion at it's finest.

[Malel]

I stand by Darq's opinion of it "not being advertising". But I have to ask, glow, even if it was.....why is it such an issue for you? Why does it matter so much? We're here for OnLive, the community, and anything that may better our experience. I know imVOX personally betters my experience with OnLive sometimes. So seriously...whats the point of making such a big deal out of nothing?

[glow]

It's not a huge deal, but it also isn't entirely ethical to come on a gaming forum and promote your own business either. If he was just an enthusiastic user of the program it would be a different story. However, he's planning to eventually charge people for the service and turn a profit from the people that use it. (onlivefans.com members)

I work with a network installation contractor. Should I start linking to our website and listing our telephone number every time someone posts with latency issues so we can make more money off of you guys?

[Malel]

I work with a network installation contractor. Should I start linking to our website and listing our telephone number every time someone posts with latency issues so we can make more money off of you guys?


If you honestly think it might actually help someone's OnLive experience, why not suggest it?

[Lord Xenu]

Tibbon has been around for a long time. Pretty much the beginning. When he started talking about imvox, there was no voice chat. He was bringing it up as an alternative to the normal text chat. Our members have been curious and interested in it. It took a while for him to get it going. Tibbon, being a member of OnLiveFans, gave us first look into his personal program. OnLive STILL doesn't have 100% voice chat. It gives us a chance to be able to chat with each other even cross game. We've been on board with him since the beginning of this whole thing. I will continue to be behind him. Should we get on Saieno's case because he was ALWAYS trying to promote a teamspeak server? Not really. He isn't spamming, he is informing us of something. If you guys have had disagreements, I don't care. It has nothing to do with my response. I've used Imvox and I think it is great.

[ackloooo]

Damn guys this thread should now be titled the imvox defense thread. From what i read glow isn't stating any sort of beef with the product but merely saying that its advertised heavily, which it is.

I think glow has a point. I'm surprised you guys are jumping on him so heavenly for such a simple statement.

[tibbon]

Now I know how MJ feels reading posts on here :)

I'm sorry Glow that you feel that I'm advertising here. It isn't my sole intention. I have Imvox in my sig as much for transparency as I have it for promotion. If I was posting things about it, but not openly identifying myself as being on the payroll with the company, then that's something that I find unethical.

If I do something like a Homefront night, then yes, it is in part to help test/promote our product, but the difference in my opinion between doing that and spamming, is that I feel at the same time I'm attempting to offer value, fun and sometimes even prizes to people that participate. I make sure its a give and take. Building value for the community overall is something that I try to do. If it was a product that didn't make sense at all here, then it would be outright spam. Also 1,400 posts (99% of which aren't about Imvox) that I've made should let you know that I'm here because I like the community.

I'm glad you brought up the point and I'll take it into consideration how I can give more, and take less.

Imvox is one of the few companies so far that outside of OnLive has taken interest in this community. If others do the same in the future and play nicely, I don't see the harm, but the community should decide that. If Razer starts making OnLive compatible controllers and wants to come here and give some of them away or let community members know about them, then I think everyone would be in favor. If your network contracting/consulting company can somehow offer pro-bono services to a few users that seem to have network issues when they shouldn't, then I bet you'd have some friends for life there.

And I'm not opposed to competition. If you like Vent better, organize nights around a Vent server and it won't hurt my feelings at all.

[7.62mm]

Whew, that was drama at it's finest! :) I read every single post! I see two sides... Glow, you brought up a good point! As did everyone else who posted. It very well could fall onto the fine line of promotion but it seems you may be one of the few who feels it is harmful to the community. Tibbon, your response was very professional and I can't help but identify it as anything but sincere... so my question is - How do I get it on my Mac? :) hahahaha - seriously.

[tibbon]

Whew, that was drama at it's finest! :) I read every single post! I see two sides... Glow, you brought up a good point! As did everyone else who posted. It very well could fall onto the fine line of promotion but it seems you may be one of the few who feels it is harmful to the community. Tibbon, your response was very professional and I can't help but identify it as anything but sincere... so my question is - How do I get it on my Mac? :) hahahaha - seriously.

We're talking about it on the Mac right now. I'm hearing about 10 days to get it done, but perhaps a testing version before then? We'll see.

[7.62mm]

[QUOTE]We're talking about it on the Mac right now. I'm hearing about 10 days to get it done, but perhaps a testing version before then? We'll see

Cool. :) Looking forward to trying it.

[Major._Spork]

i see this: http://imvox.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509 - but when i click the link to download.. nada. :-(

[SlingShot]

I have no problem with the imvox posts. I dont, nor will I ever use it ... so I just ignore it. As a matter of fact, why did I even read this one? lol.

[Alex]

The word of mouth natural promotion of ImVox seems to represent the better way, vice actual sponsorship, for products to gain reputation and share.

[admeteora]

i don't really like imvox either it doesn't work on mac :(. ventrilo or teamspeak do

[KicknGuitar]

I actually enjoy imvox's layout. I'm looking forward to seeing it upgraded out of Beta since it's showing potential. As for suggesting it to anyone, I can't say since Mac is not out and is iffy when using a windows virtual machine so my test isn't fully fair but still one to consider.


I'm confused as to how it isn't advertising.


At 3pm EST today we will be playing Homefront on OnLive using imvox for the voice chat. Please join in the 'imvox private beta' servers on OnLive/Homefront and the 'Homefront' servers on imvox.

How in the world is this just "suggestion"? He says we get an "exclusive", he tells us where to download it, how to install it, even goes as far to ask for bug reports so we can help him work out problems with the program. It's advertising/promotion at it's finest.

If a member creates an event, and offers a "in-game" voice chat (which onlive currently lacks), there is no issue here. Agreed?
Now the product he is suggesting you use is imvox. you could join the game without it and still compete.

We realize the game is "hosted" by imvox... well of course he'd have info on imvox, they're hosting the event, just like Onlive hosting the server, there may be info on the service.

The exclusive was an OnLiveFans Only server, hosted by imvox, offering prizes to those who took part and placed.

Please review the rules I posted earlier if you are confused on our definition of spamming/advertising.

[glow]

I actually enjoy imvox's layout. I'm looking forward to seeing it upgraded out of Beta since it's showing potential. As for suggesting it to anyone, I can't say since Mac is not out and is iffy when using a windows virtual machine so my test isn't fully fair but still one to consider.



If a member creates an event, and offers a "in-game" voice chat (which onlive currently lacks), there is no issue here. Agreed?
Now the product he is suggesting you use is imvox. you could join the game without it and still compete.

We realize the game is "hosted" by imvox... well of course he'd have info on imvox, they're hosting the event, just like Onlive hosting the server, there may be info on the service.

The exclusive was an OnLiveFans Only server, hosted by imvox, offering prizes to those who took part and placed.

Please review the rules I posted earlier if you are confused on our definition of spamming/advertising.

You edited out everything but the first sentence?

Also:




I'm sorry Glow that you feel that I'm advertising here. It isn't my sole intention. I have Imvox in my sig as much for transparency as I have it for promotion. If I was posting things about it, but not openly identifying myself as being on the payroll with the company, then that's something that I find unethical.


If Tibbon himself is posting in this thread saying he's promoting it, and you guys still insist on saying he's not... then I really don't know what to say.

[glow]

Let me be clear: No permission was granted from the administrative team to advertise for imVOX, because it isn't being advertised.




I'm sorry Glow that you feel that I'm advertising here. It isn't my sole intention. I have Imvox in my sig as much for transparency as I have it for promotion. If I was posting things about it, but not openly identifying myself as being on the payroll with the company, then that's something that I find unethical.



Just sayin'...

[admeteora]

form now on replace imvox with ventrilo or teamspeak that way i can use it on my mac :P, or make it work. deal?

[Lord Xenu]

This is closed. There is no clear solution.