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Alex
11-08-2009, 04:56 AM
Natal also brilliantly soft converts standard displays to 3D but can you TOLLERATE a camera in your living room?

It’s a pretty big breakthrough. You thought you had a mere HDTV that did small potatoes stuff like higher resolution and better sound and then vole with Natal stuff started popping out, and you weren’t wearing special glasses so you didn’t expect it or think it possible, especially when you thought Natal only made you pop out.

If you look here:

http://www.chatbots.org/conversational/agent/helium3d_is_the_next_3d_step_for_natal/

You see a camera can be used to pinpoint a user and turn a standard display into a 3d display without the need for special glasses, speculation about a Natal application is in the article as well.

and here:

http://www.seereal.com/en/autostereoscopy/NextGen.php

We see how easy and perfected and practical it may well be and how long the idea has been in circulation.

Remember that MS hired the guy from Nintendo that did the 3d look around demo for the Wii that used the tracking of the Wii mote to triangulate the user and produce depth…

If you remember Peter Molyneux has commented on 3D displays almost in the same breath with Natal.

People immediately thought minority report when they saw Natal and that fuses 3d manipulation with 3d display.

Sony seems to be scrambling because it probably sees the writing on the wall, but would have milked out another couple of decades out and wanted a massive premium.

But the elephant in the room is that people subconsciously don’t want a camera pointed at them and their loved ones while they are relaxing in the living room unless they can be absolutely certain the thing is off at all times when they would want it off and seamlessly so. It’s a risk benefit thing and the risks are unthinkable for most people. It may do amazing 3d manipulative telepresence things for the porn and the cybersex industries but it also conjures every bit of the implied potential for abuse. The living room is still a private space. Its potentially worse than having a panoramic window providing a fish bowl view to a busy street. Put a camera outside that window looking in. Make it so you don’t know who the camera belongs to. Do you put the Natal in a special room? Do you put a sticker over the lens? Does MS get smart and put in 20 easy fail safe mechanisms to ensure privacy? Does MS screw this up for everyone? A lot of the near term intelligence in the cloud is riding on it.

Aph0ticShield
11-08-2009, 11:19 PM
No, standard displays are not equipped with this 3D tech, I believe... read the articles again.

"Previous 3D systems have used flat panel displays in their design but HELIUM3D will use a new type of front screen.

The Gabor superlens screen used by DMU researchers replaces the usual LCD screen found on commercial television sets and is much more efficient than other technologies."

This isn't OnLive related, so I am moving it.

Alex
11-10-2009, 02:32 AM
The first link only provides the idea that the author is already seeing a Natal link to 3d screens.

The Seereal technology (2nd link) is apparently compatible with in place technology even CRTs. Apparently software plus a camera that can determin a users whereabouts is all that's needed to give the full paralax effect. The super Gabor lens helps but does not appear to be necessary even for good results. If it were they wouldn't be touting backward compatibility.

I would say that its very OnLive related because Onlive games will likely have to support this technology and it will be associated with Onlive to Onlive's benefit. Peter Molyneux was making just such a point- that the massive promise of something like object recognition was really only something that could be enabled with cloud technology and that recognition capacity may work to make Onlive games much better. To me Onlive really begins to shine when it gets platform specific software and it stops recycling stuff that can be run locally.

Aph0ticShield
11-10-2009, 04:22 PM
ATM, this technology is not built or made for OnLive. Unless it officially is or soon will be, it remains unrelated.

Lord Xenu
11-11-2009, 12:28 AM
This is simple.

We appreciate your posting. It does make for an interesting read.

However, unless it related directly to OnLive, it goes in the topic, "Other Video Games Discussion." This post is something that for sure belongs in that topic.